The Old Coots Collaboration (.380/P-3AT)

byron and I decided to do a comprehensive wetpack test with .380 ammo. We shared the cost, byron furnished the CorBon Pow'rBall and had it shipped to me. I bought the Win ValuPak and the WinClean. I already had all the other ammo from the previous test. All the data is posted in this thread, one page at a time. I think midi plans to move it and other wetpack test data to the Articles Section. Keep an eye open for that.

Someone will ask did you compare the P3AT with anything else. Surprise! We did that.

And someone might say we should have used water jugs. Surprise, surprise!! Did that too.

Finally, what about smileys. Some of that there too.

scuba, FigNozzle, and midi will be especially happy to see the Pow'rBall results, even if it's not what they expected. Marshall was going to run the Pow'rBall test but his gelatin melted in the hot weather, or at least that's the excuse he gave. So our thread is the first test outside CorBon I know of with the Pow'rBall.

I'll let byron answer any questions about the ValuPak.

byron gets all the thanks for having the idea and encouraging me (strongly) to run the tests.

This will be my last wetpack tests until October. Too hot now. And granma has trips planned and visits from grandkids.

This picture shows wetpack results with the P3AT for the following rounds...

1. Winchester ValuPak, 95gr. blunt nose FMJ
2. Winchester WinClean, 95gr. jacketed blunt lead nose exposed.
3. CorBon's new "Pow'rBall", 70gr. jacketed, plastic nose
4. Winchester "SilverTip", 85gr JHP
5. Speer "GoldDot", 90gr. JHP
6. Federal "HydraShok", 90gr. JHP
7. Remington "GoldenSaber" 102gr. JHP
8. CorBon 90gr+p JHP

Rounds 4 - 8 were previously tested and data shown in the Preliminary .380 wet pack report shown in the members only forum, "Preliminary .380 wetpack report....". Go to that thread for comparison.

This picture is a comparison of the rounds shown above with my P3AT, 2.76"barrel, and a Bersa Thunder 380, 3.25"barrel. The photo is for a visual comparison only. Penetration with the Bersa was generally 1/2" to 1" better than the P3AT. Also note the Pow'rBall expanded with the Bersa as did the CorBon 90+p. A barrel longer than 3" seems to be needed for the CorBon stuff.

This is the waterjug (1/2gallon plastic milk jugs measuring 4"deep) comparison for the CorBon Pow'rBall with a Golden Saber thrown in. The Pow'rBall did nothing in the water with the P3AT and not much with the Bersa. For a look at extensive waterjug tests go to http://stevespages.com/page8f.htm (courtesy of a link from Stephen Camp's website). But it doesn't have the Pow'rBall.

But smileys??

Yes, I still get a little smiley when my P3AT get dirty. Reasons for this are discussed at length in the Smiley thread in the Members Section.

What?? You're reading this thread and not a member??!! Now's a good time to register.

Cheers,
og

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